Chakra Discussions

In Response To Niscala Dasi

by Visnurata das

Posted January 23, 2006

In her article Conflict - Seek It, Reconcile It Or Avoid It? (January 9), Niscala prabhu states:

"The ritviks spread the darkness of the belief that there can be no gurus after Srila Prabhupada and they advertise the accidental falldowns of our gurus as their proof. Firstly, accidental falldown is never to be taken seriously, according to Krsna (Bg 9.30), and one who does so (what to speak of one who advertises it) is an offender according to Srila Prabhupada's instruction."

Firstly, since Srila Prabhupada established himself as the diksa guru for ISKCON, and then issued a society-wide directive on July 9 th 1977 which states that he would remain the guru, how can this be a "dark" belief?? It is a belief based on signed, documented evidence.

The fact that gurus fall down is just one proof that they were not authorised. This is explained in 'The Nectar of Devotion':

" The spiritual master must never be carried away by an accumulation of wealth or a large number of followers. A bona fide spiritual master will never become like that. But sometimes, if a spiritual master is not properly authorized and only on his own initiative becomes a spiritual master, he may be carried away by an accumulation of wealth and large numbers of disciples." (NOD, chapter 14)

Secondly, the Bg 9:30 verse Niscala quotes refers to conditioned souls, not bona fide, liberated diksa gurus:

"No one should deride a devotee for some accidental falldown from the ideal path, for, as explained in the next verse, such occasional falldowns will be stopped in due course, as soon as a devotee is completely situated in Krsna consciousness... this verse only refers to an accident due to the strong power of material connections." (Bg 9:30 purport)

Note that such accidental falldowns will be stopped as soon as the devotee is "completely situated in Krsna consciousness", and refers to an accident due to *material* connections.

A bona fide diksa guru is *already* completely in Krsna consciousness and is *never* affected by the material energy:

" A bona fide spiritual master is in the disciplic succession from time eternal, and he does not deviate at all from the instructions of the Supreme Lord..." (Bg 4:42, purport)

"A man in Krsna consciousness is not controlled by the spell of the material modes of nature. It has already been stated in the Seventh Chapter that one who has surrendered to Krsna is relieved from the activities of material nature." (Bg 14.19, purport)