Chakra Discussions

Niscala's "Struggling Guru" Fallacy

by Mohinder Agarwal

Posted August 23, 2004

Niscala Mataji has made some statements on initiating gurus which are nowhere supported in Srila Prabhupada's writings.

She states: "The guru is careful always to rid his heart of subtle anarthas which cloud his vision. That is his constant battle. Until he is situated thoroughly on the transcendental plane, there is always chance of accidental falldown "due to past bad habits". Still, as Krsna tells us, this is not to be taken seriously. To do so in regard to a sincere and advanced devotee is extremely offensive."

Please note:

1) The bona fide diksa guru does not have any anarthas to battle with since he is completely liberated from material existence:

"A Spiritual Master is always liberated. In any condition of His life He should not be mistaken as ordinary human being...a nitya siddha is never forgetful of Krsna throughout his whole life..."  (Srila Prabhupada letter to Tamal Krsna, June 21, 1970)

"An advanced devotee, therefore, does not live within the material body but within his spiritual body, just as a dry coconut lives detached from the coconut husk, even though within the husk. The pure devotee's body is therefore called cin-maya-sarira ("spiritualized body"). In other words, a devotee's body is not connected with material activities, and as such, a devotee is always liberated (brahma-bhuyaya kalpate), as confirmed in Bhagavad-gita (14.26)."  (Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.22.26, purport)

 2) The Bhagavad-gita verse and purport she alludes to concerning "accidental falldown due to past bad habits" does NOT apply to a bona fide spiritual master, but to a CONDITIONED soul who is NOT liberated, as Srila Prabhupada clearly states:

"This verse ONLY refers to an accident due to the strong power of material connections. Devotional service is more or less a declaration of war against the illusory energy. As long as one is not strong enough to fight the illusory energy, there may be accidental falldowns. But when one is strong enough, he is no longer subjected to such falldowns, as previously explained."  (Bg 9:30, purport)

A bona fide guru has NO material connections:

"A pure devotee of the Lord does not live on any planet of the material sky, nor does he feel any contact with the material elements. His so-called material body does not exist, being surcharged with the spiritual current of the Lord's identical interest, and thus he is permanently freed from all contamination of the sum total of the mahat-tattva." (SB, 1.13.55)

3) Niscala Mataji also states: "Worse still is when we scapegoat or punish him for his falldown, labelling him as insincere, an imposter guru, a pretender, or responsible for ISKCON'S decline."

Yet Srila Prabhupada very emphatically states that a BONA FIDE guru can NEVER fall down.  Therefore, if someone acting as a diksa guru DOES fall down, then HOW is he bona fide?  On the contrary, he can only be a pretender:

"A bona fide spiritual master is in the disciplic succession from time eternal and he does not deviate AT ALL from the instructions of the Supreme Lord." (Bg 4:42, purport)

"There is NO possibility that a first class devotee will fall down." (Cc Madhya 22.71)

 Ys
Mohinder